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Comment reply on Forum Topic "i5 9600k vs i7 6700k(proving a point to a friend)"

  • 1 day ago
  • 1 point

Intel branding at work.

There are plenty of benchmarks to prove it, it boosts higher out of the box, plus Silicon Lottery's stats show that an 8600K(same chip but a year older) is almost guaranteed to hit 4.8GHz, something that only 24% of their 6700K's could do. Plus the fact that it's 6 real cores versus 4 cores with HT(which in the absolute best case scenario will give a 50% multi-threaded performance boost, usually closer to 30).

Comment reply on Benedict_Canyon's Completed Build: Zero Maintenance Watercooling

  • 20 days ago
  • 1 point

Dust will still inevitably get in.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "New website layout! Thoughts?"

  • 27 days ago
  • 1 point

No, the problem is everything is ******* massive and there's too much scrolling involved. There's nothing to "learn", it's just an annoying change that makes the site less desirable to use. I don't use or care about the text formatting, I just want to browse the website without my finger going numb from using the scroll wheel so much.

I have big parts lists saved with 25-30 parts. The entire list used to take up just over one screen. The new layout it's 3 screen worth of scrolling(per list!) just to compare price between 2 different builds I have saved. When I edit my build it's the same way, pages of scrolling. It's almost as if the admins never tested it on a 1080p monitor and used nothing but 4K...

Comment reply on Forum Topic "New website layout! Thoughts?"

  • 27 days ago
  • 2 points

You're right, but this is still a case of the former.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "New website layout! Thoughts?"

  • 27 days ago
  • 1 point

Poor analogy. Cars helped us accomplish more at a faster pace than horses. This "fix" provides nothing. More of a hindrance than anything.

Not everything in the world needs innovation. Some things need to just work.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "New website layout! Thoughts?"

  • 27 days ago
  • 5 points

I think it's terrible. I use this website from my PC, not my phone. Which is understandable considering this is a PC enthusiast site...

Everything is gigantic, there's too much scrolling now. Just another case of fixing something that isn't broken, making something bad that was fine to begin with.

Comment reply on tivolimiller0's Completed Build: Node 202 Budget Gaming/HTPC

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

I still want to build in that case at some point.

Comment reply on apple020997's Completed Build: AMDream

  • 1 month ago
  • -2 points

I don't want to give money to greedy companies

Probably shouldn't have bought a Samsung SSD then. Or Corsair memory. Asus can be pretty slimy too.

Nice to see somebody use a bay res, they seem to be pretty uncommon.

Comment reply on Fraz76's Completed Build: Small Dragon

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

I used to run 3 of them, they're great.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is 450 W PSU enough?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

That's a pretty good buy. Yeah, if it was going to be a month or 2 or something I'd say to enjoy a new monitor first then upgrade.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is 450 W PSU enough?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

I would honestly get the monitor first. With the one you have now you will see literally no difference from the 1060, the 1070 will just run quieter because it's getting less utilization when locking to 60FPS. A 3GB 1060 will do fine, especially temporarily, at 1080p if that's what you plan to go for with your next monitor.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is 450 W PSU enough?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Even with a power limit increase you're generally looking at 150-180W for the 1070. The rest of the system is a Ryzen 5 and the other basics(single SSD and 2 sticks of RAM). Even if they overclock everything and do a torture test of the entire system at once they're not going to be near 400W, let alone 450.

To the OP: drawing half of a PSU's max power is generally where you see peak efficiency, and we're talking a couple percent, nothing major. Also, I hope you have a better monitor than that 1600x900 display you have listed in your build because upgrading to a 1070 would be absolutely pointless with that monitor.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "28C on idle"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

So you keep your room 15 degrees in the winter?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "28C on idle"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

17.8C

So you keep your room heated/cooled to under 64 degrees F?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "28C on idle"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

For Threadripper Tctl is the offset temp and is used for throttling when run at stock clocks, Tdie is the actual temp. All of my apps that report usage stats display the Tdie.

Comment reply on MisterNoisy's Completed Build: Chunk

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

No, Captain Chunk!

Comment reply on ElHugo34's Completed Build: VaderDown

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

Those fans look dope.

I'm probably about to pick up one of those monitors since they're on sale. You like it?

Comment reply on NaweedKhan's Completed Build: i5 6400, 12GB RAM, GTX 970

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Different IC's require different settings for optimal stability. Since your memory settings in the BIOS affect all slots it's best to use matching memory(preferably bought as a kit).

You matched the speed, but the CAS latency is different, given that the optimal sub-timings are probably entirely different as well. You might have issues, you might not, part of it depends on which settings your BIOS is actually using.

Comment reply on NaweedKhan's Completed Build: i5 6400, 12GB RAM, GTX 970

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

I already called the police. They're on their way.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "About that TR 1900 on sale for $300..."

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Who builds an HEDT just to play games though?

There's also a cheap TR air cooler for around 40 bucks that can handle 16 cores.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "About that TR 1900 on sale for $300..."

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Well, with those models you do have the option of essentially disabling 1 die if you're using an application that doesn't like high core counts. Cubase, for example, had issues with CPU's with a thread count above 14. A lot of high core count CPU's hit the market from both AMD and Intel in a fairly short period of time so there was various software that had issues with them, not all have been ironed out yet either lol.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "About that TR 1900 on sale for $300..."

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I bought one for $272 and a refurb motherboard for about the same. I fully intend to upgrade to 3rd gen TR and sell this for $150-200 to get some of the money back. Few months have passed and I don't regret it. 11 USB ports without an add-in card or hub, room for 5 more drives(in addition to the 6 I have now) with even more possible if I use the PCIe slots.

One of the major drawbacks is memory bandwidth. Despite being quad channel capable, each die on 1st and 2nd gen TR has its own I/O. So in the case of the 1900x, you've got 4 cores with direct access to half of the memory and the other 4 has direct access to the other half. If a core needs data from memory it doesn't have direct access to, it has to go through the infinity fabric which adds more latency and hinders bandwidth. 3rd gen will have a single I/O die and separate chiplets for the cores. Obviously we'll have to see how it pans out and affects performance.

It also doesn't have official Thunderbolt support, but I've read many anecdotes from people getting the Titan Ridge cards to work, just without hotplug functionality(so any TB device needs to be plugged in before the system boots in order to be recognized). Fine for an audio interface, not so good if you have devices that aren't always plugged in.

One thing to keep in mind is this is 1st gen TR, so 2nd gen Ryzen is better than it when it comes purely to CPU tasks. AMD never made a 2900X so we didn't get a refresh with better clocks like the 12 and 16 core models did. This is a better binned chip than the 1800X though with a massive IHS so getting 4GHz on all cores on air is almost guaranteed. Some people have got 4.3GHz or higher on water, right now I'm sitting at 4.05 with the cheapest TR air cooler there is, only 1.35v or so.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "About that TR 1900 on sale for $300..."

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I spent months debating between the two platforms and I wasn't really impressed by the features on most of the x299 motherboards that are $100 cheaper than most TR boards. The boards that seemed the most worth buying for a fairly pricey system seemed to all be in the $300+ range.

The 1900X is a pretty niche part as something to buy and stick with for years. Not a bad buy for somebody who needs an increase in core count now and can wait a little while to get a major increase in core count and an increase in overall speed, especially if you can benefit from some of the features an HEDT offers.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "1660 vs 1660ti for 1080p 144hz gaming?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

You can get a used 570 for like, 80 bucks. Not much more for a 580. Makes so many of the brand new cards harder to justify.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen upping the ante?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Not that I have any faith in those leaked specs, but given that every other CPU lists it's single core boost clock as "max boost" it's safe to assume that 5GHz would be what a single core hit and the 12 core boost would be lower.

As far as the dual chiplets on Ryzen, the engineering sample we were showed sure looks like it was designed for that. Even if it's not confirmed to be happening, I'd bet it's something AMD is at least toying with. I'm not sure if this design will be beneficial for Ryzen, but for Threadripper it makes more sense than the current design with I/O on each die.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "i5 9600k or i7 8700k?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

9600K would cost less, 8700K has Hyper Threading. Do you want to save some money or do you want a little bit better multi-threaded performance? If it's strictly for gaming, I'd opt for saving some money. If you want to stream, edit video, do audio production, etc, maybe go for the i7.

I would go with a slightly better PSU. Corsair RMx or EVGA SuperNova. They don't cost much more, they are more reliable, more efficient, fully modular and they have 10 year warranties.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "My overclock temps okay?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I would start around 1.35v for 4.7. Stress test for an hour, if it passes, maybe lower it to 1.34. Another hour of stress test, if it passes, maybe try 1.33. If it can't pass at 1.35, try 1.36. Once you find the lowest voltage it will pass an hour stress test, do a longer test, 4-8 hours, to ensure stability.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "My overclock temps okay?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I definitely recommend manually setting the voltage. Motherboards tend to set the voltage higher than necessary when left on auto.

According to Silicon Lottery's statistics they were able to get 100% of the 8700K they tested to run stable at 4.8GHz with 1.375v using an AVX offset of -2(99% at 4.9 with only slightly more voltage), so that's a good starting point. Keep in mind those tests were with delidded processors though.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "7700k 5.0ghz overclock stable???"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

OC instability doesn't always rear its head at lower utilization or right away. Sometimes it does, but pushing it hard with something like Prime 95 or RealBench will generally cause issues to surface sooner. If it can handle several hours of that, then it can handle just about anything.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "7700k 5.0ghz overclock stable???"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Well if you wake up and the stress test isn't still going or completed successfully if it's a timed test then you know there was a stability issue. If you blue screened then you won't know what the stopcode was but, those aren't always reliable anyway.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "My overclock temps okay?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah those temps are fine, especially considering that Prime 95 is known to cause CPUs to heat up more than most stress tests and real world scenarios.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "7700k 5.0ghz overclock stable???"

  • 2 months ago
  • 3 points

If it doesn't happen in any other games it might be a BFV issue.

What have you done to ensure that your 4.9GHz OC is stable? Can it handle an 8 hour stress test? I personally don't consider any OC "stable" until I've let it run a stress test overnight to ensure no errors pop up.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Can't decide on what channel memory"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Replies to you show up in your inbox, I clicked reply on somebody else's comment. You're fine.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Intel i7 6700k (4.0Ghz)"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Since you're doing audio production, how many MIDI controllers do you have? Having enough onboard USB ports is helpful because MIDI controllers doesn't always play well with hubs(same for audio interfaces). Also, are you using a USB interface or Thunderbolt? If you're using the latter, it might not be a bad idea to look into a board with onboard TB(because add-in cards are around $100). If you're using a USB audio interface, make sure the board has USB 2.0 ports because some interfaces don't play well with USB 3.0(like my Focusrite Scarlett for example, **** performance when plugged into a USB 3.0 port, had to run 1024 buffers until I switched it to a USB 2.0 port, then I was able to drop to 128).

The Asus board you mentioned isn't exactly "high end" so most Z370 and Z390 boards would be comparable, but there are subtle differences between them. If you plan to overclock that 8700K you might want something with better VRMs, if you plan to run the chip at stock speeds, you don't need to be as cautious.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Which CPU priced around 100-150 would be good to pair with an RX470?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

7700 and 7600K have literally the same exact turbo speeds per core with the 7700 having Hyper Threading which gives you an advantage in workloads that can utilize up to 8 threads.

If those 2 are the same price buying a 7700 would be a no-brainer. 7700K is only 10% faster in terms of clock speed which doesn't always equate to 10% faster performance in real world scenarios. If it's anything more than 10% higher price than a 7700 and you're not using a Z series motherboard, it's simply not worth the price increase.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Can't decide on what channel memory"

  • 2 months ago
  • 0 points

Lol I'm not the one who downvoted you, that was somebody else. Don't downvote me just because you're salty that I'm right.

Now you can have my downvote though.

In case you don't believe me, look it up. There are plenty of documented situations where putting the max number of sticks hinders memory speed. Even on some memory QVLs you'll see the same kit listed twice, once with the actual XMP speed with half the slots populated and again at a lower speed with all slots populated. It's somewhat common on Threadripper and it does happen with Ryzen boards as well.

Hell, the TR board I personally own will run the memory I use at XMP speeds(or close to it, 2933 vs 3000) with up to 4 slots populated. Using the same exact memory in all 8 slots can only hit 2666. Why? Because of the extra strain on the memory controller. Only select few kits can hit 2933 with 8 sticks and none can go above that, despite 4 sticks being able to.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Want to find manual for my CPU"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

You honestly don't even need it.

The 1700X comes with a manual though? My Threadripper didn't and neither did any of my Intel processors. Never been compelled to look for one either.

Motherboards, on the other hand, have manuals that are worth having, but those can usually be downloaded from the product support page on the manufacturer's website.

You want to talk about taking up space though, I have the packaging for every single component I own in my closet lol.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ram speed and latency questions"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I would buy whichever is cheaper, the differences will pretty much only be on paper. A nanosecond is so short that we as humans can't even quite comprehend how short of an amount of time it really is.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Can't decide on what channel memory"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

It's not the fact that it's an "Intel chipset", it's that it's not an HEDT chipset. Same thing applies to AMD.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Can't decide on what channel memory"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Eh, it won't "spank" it in every game. Some games will see a significant performance increase with dual channel, others it'll be more subtle.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Can't decide on what channel memory"

  • 2 months ago
  • 0 points

4 sticks puts more strain on the memory controller, so if you know you'll be upgrading to 32GB in the near future and can deal with single channel for the time being, a single 16GB stick isn't a bad option.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Which cpu 200ge or 2200g"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

This.

Never underestimate the uses of extra parts.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "I7 8700k delid, idle temps are still high"

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

That does seem like high idle temps especially considering the fairly low voltage, but as long as load temps have decreased and are looking good then it's not really a big deal.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Which CPU priced around 100-150 would be good to pair with an RX470?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

As for Ebay, they do tend to side with the buyer should a dispute arise, but scams can still be quite an inconvenience.

Not if you're dealing with a "top seller". I've been screwed on monitors on ebay.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Which CPU priced around 100-150 would be good to pair with an RX470?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 3 points

7700 for sure. Since you can't overclock the 7600K you're limited to Intel Turbo Boost speeds, which are identical with those 2 chips(4.2GHz single core boost, 4GHz quadcore boost). Since the i7 has Hyper Threading it will get somewhere in the region of 30% more multi-threaded performance.

Though the 7700K does have around 10% higher turbo clocks than a 7700, but in your case probably wouldn't be worth the price disparity.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Best CPU For Streaming?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

OK then you'll be good. Didn't want to see you spend more money than you needed to hit a framerate that your monitor couldn't display.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Liquid cooler suggestions"

  • 2 months ago
  • 0 points

Kind of, yeah lol. A lot of the software these companies make is buggy as hell. I've used Corsair Link(then iCue when it came out) for a few years and I've learned that the best thing to do is set everything to static speeds instead of relying on any temp sensors and custom fan curves. I used to use a GPU with an AIO but it was one where the fan didn't plug into the GPU, so I plugged it into my Commander Pro to control it through Corsair's software. On several occasions games crashed because my GPU overheated because the software decided to ignore the fact that it was heating up and kept the fan spinning at only 500RPM.

Plus side is with CPU AIO's, you can generally just set it to a "quiet enough" RPM and let it run like that constantly and have no worries.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Stereotypes of California - what do you think they are?"

  • 2 months ago
  • -1 points

I've only known a few people from California and they seem no different than anybody I know anywhere else.

But I'm also not a douche who thinks living in a certain state means you act a certain way. Unless that state is Texas :V

In all seriousness though, when I think California I just think the pioneers of medical cannabis and Silicon Valley. Also, the location of every Asian manufacturer's US headquarters.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Stereotypes of California - what do you think they are?"

  • 2 months ago
  • -1 points

They think they're well-traveled because they've been to a few nice places, but they have no clue what a lot of America is like.

You basically described 90% of the United States lol.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Stereotypes of California - what do you think they are?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I-465 is the loop around Indianapolis. Speed limit is 55.

If you go anything under 70 you look like an *******.

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