I would not recommend either of these.

The first build has a freaking rx 570... he said he didn't care about graphics that much.

As for the second list, you will want more threads than an 8600k has for use with virtual machines, as it is only 6 core 6 thread.

This parts list has the the 16 threads and 32gb of ram for lots of virtual machines, and the ability to have an 8tb raid array for the nas. I wouldn't recommend using old storage for a server due to its unreliability, as well as because of limited sata ports, and the gpu is trash, but it will work for a display out.

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titanium>gaming x every single time.

I'm glad to hear that gigabyte fixed their bios...

Yeah, but at least when I buy an $800 graphics card I want it to last as long as possible. There are AMD cards that were slower and cheaper than certain nvidia cards, but are now faster than said nvidia cards. See gtx 680 vs radeon hd 7950, gtx 780 vs r9 290, gtx 1060 vs rx 480, etc.

I would bet anything that in 4 years the radeon vii can outrun a 2080 in every workload and every game.

Assuming you can actually buy it (I guess now you can), I would totally take a radeon vii over an rtx 2080.

Ever heard of "radeon finewine technology"?

I don’t know how familiar with pc parts you are but it reminds me a lot of an old twin frozr V cooler. It is quiet enough that it was inaudible over the case fans, and it overclocked pretty nicely (150mhz core?). Of course as msi comes out with more high end/custom pcb 2070 cards, these lower end models will likely end up overclocking worse, as the silicon lottery winners will become said high end cards.

Overall I would recommend. As for a mini itx system, it depends on the case. It should fit in anything as it is a true 2 slot card, but airflow is an issue. If this is going into a case like the fractal design node 202 or bitfenix portal where the hot air exhausted into the case doesn’t have a good way to escape, I would actually recommend a blower style card, but if it is going into a traditional tower like an nzxt h200i or even something like a silverstone sg-13 with great airflow then I would totally recommend this card.

Who knows…

It does look cool though. I think part of it is also that I would never trust myself to not paint a connector/socket. In theory the coating on the outside of the motherboard should protect it, with the only possible issue being heat.

This painting looks excellent!

I'm not sure painting the motherboard was a good idea...

Yeah, and it isn't just compaq. I also have dell, hp and other cases lying around that also have a bunch of card readers.

It actually still works... usb 2.0 speeds but still.

That cost is insignificant when taking into account the whole build... and the lamborghini.

if it is showing up in the bios as cpu fan than idk what is happening. Sometimes you can just hit f1 to continue...

looks good overall, but I would highly recommend flipping over the back fan to exhaust for the sake of better thermals and less dust.

You should have no problem mounting a 240mm aio on the front or top of the case. In both scenarios, I would put the fans in "push" so that on top the front of the fans are facing the case with the radiator above them, and in the front so that the fans are visible through the glass with the radiator towards the inside of the case. Regardless of where you put the radiator I would move both ll120 fans that come in the case to the front, and mount one included radiator fan on top of the case as exhaust and one included radiator fan on the bottom as intake.

The be quiet coolers (dark rock 4 included) are seriously quiet. They are usually almost impossible to hear even under full load. Plus, the cooler itself is bigger so the cpu temperatures will be lower and the fan won't have to ramp up as much.

That error means that you plugged the cpu fan into the wrong fan header, so the motherboard doesn't think that you have a cpu fan at all. There should be a fan header on the top of the motherboard (sometimes it is hidden behind the vrm heatsink) that is labled "cpu_fan" and one that is labled "cpu_opt". Make sure that at least one fan is plugged into the "cpu_fan" header.

Looks excellent overall!

How well does that kraken/h90 combo deal with the vram?

So the parts list choice in a build like this is very simple. You need decent single threaded performance in order to stream 1080p, but nothing crazy (it isn't 4k). You also don't really need a cpu with a whole lot of threads, because you aren't going to be running anything else simultaneously. The ryzen 3 2200g fits this bill quite well as a quad core that is capable of hitting 4ghz. The other major item on the parts list is the elgato hd60 pro capture card, which is the best 1080p 60fps capture card that you can currently get, and it fits well inside of the cooler master elite 110, an extremely small case.

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I'm pretty sure that case comes with 3 RGB case fans. That should be plenty.

US here, there are currently no radeon vii cards in stock anywhere.

The cable management slot.

Looks great!

24 pin not in the thingy is giving me OCD though...

holy crap, that's a lot of corsair cases.

Yeah, the asus turbo's cooler is significantly worse than the gigabyte (hotter and louder).

As for the water cooler thing, you will see no difference in performance, but water coolers are louder.

The difference is ~$120. Generally it is worth it to me to buy at microcenter, but technically buying it without still fits in the budget.

Considering that you live in new york, I will include prices from microcenter where cheapest. More on that later.

Here we go.

The i7 8700k is pretty much the best of the best when it comes to single threaded workloads (aside from the 9900k which is way more expensive) which include most gaming and cad. It can easily be overclocked to 5ghz for even better performance. The CPU cooler I chose is one of the best cpu coolers you can buy, due to its insane cooling ability (250w tdp), blackout look, and dead silent operation. The motherboard I chose is a cheaper mid to high end board with good overclocking ability, also with a little LED blackout look. The ram I went with is very fast, black, and from a very reputable company. The ssd isn't from the most well known company, but I have used them in lots of builds with no issues, and they're cheap. The case is a solid performer that still keeps the blackout look, and the video card is a great example of an rtx 2080.

The peripherals include a keyboard with cherry mx brown switches (a fan favorite), the mouse is a very popular gaming mouse, and the monitor is a 165hz 1440p panel that I personally use and love.

For the CPU and motherboard I used microcenter's prices because you can save $200 by doing so due to their already low prices and their cpu and motherboard bundle. I already factored sales tax into those prices.

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I love project cars 2...

For streaming, you really only need 2 thing. A decent CPU and a decent capture card. I chose the 2400g because it is a 4 core 8 thread cpu with high enough clock speeds that you shouldn't encounter any hitches at all (It has almost identical performance as a few year old intel core i7) and it has integrated graphics. This frees up the only pcie slot on a mini itx motherboard (you said "mini pc", so I included a case that is very small) for an elgato hd60 capture card, which is the pretty much the best 1080p capture card out there.

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Windows can definitely run on more than 16 cores...

heck yeah!

CS:GO and rainbow six yes, pubg probably not.

Maybe he bought the 2970wx because the 2970wx is $800 cheaper than the 2990wx and 24 cores is still a ridiculous number of cores.

May your framerates be high and your temperatures low.

...and good luck not spending hundreds on parts in that 4 years

I have always wanted an LZ7... Imagine if it came with a pico-box 500w so you could put tower coolers in

Yeah, in order to gain fps it has to be a half eaten pizza.

I didn't know anybody still cared about crossfire. What modern games are there that actually support it properly?

It might be kinda counter intuitive, but they are actually very quiet. You don't need case fans, and the air the cpu/gpu is getting is cool 100% of the time.

the 9600k and 8600k will act overclock identically, with only one tradeoff. The 8600k has thermal paste under the ihs which is awful at conducting heat, but can be delidded to use liquid metal. The 9600k is soldered, but with low quality solder. This means that it is better than an 8600k stock, but worse than an 8600k delidded. I generally delid intel cpus anyways, but if you aren't comfortable with that then go with the 9600k.

As for the 2070 vs 2080, I would generally go for the best graphics card that you can afford, because while you may save money now, you won't save money in the long run, because upgrades won't be necessary for longer.

Also, the raw price/performance data for a 2070 vs 2080 will make a 2070 look like the better deal, but that is because there is a 15% price difference and you only get 12% better performance. However, when you are factoring in the cost of the whole pc, a 2080 is only 7% more expensive, while retaining that 12% performance advantage.

One more thing... If you can get your hands on a radeon vii for about the same price as a 2080, go for it. Right now they are almost identical in performance, and the ray tracing on a 2080 is tempting, but AMD driver support in the long run is way better than nvidia's, meaning that in a few years the radeon vii could have a significant performance advantage over the 2080. Also, basically nothing uses real time ray tracing, so who really cares about that.

Let me preface this by saying that pcpartpicker doesn't have Portugal as a country option, and so I used the closest country, Spain. This is decently important because of the difference in currency and regional pricing and availability. For example, the power supply isn't available in europe, and if you add a similar one the price comes out to be 1700 euros. I have linked a parts list based in spain that uses basically the same cpu, an rtx 2080, keeps the monochrome aesthetic, and is 1522 euros.

I also changed the cpu cooler to a different one that is white, has the same performance as the corsair aio, but is significantly quieter.

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I know, I was just suggesting a common use case for spare computers.

I have always liked the striped aesthetic of the Krait motherboards...

how on earth did you get that crazy radiator situation going on? This is absolute madness.

this pc will become a backup

Buy some hard drives and make it a plex server/nas. Once you get one you will wonder how you lived without it.

because it is a ryzen 5 wraith spire, so it doesn't have RGB.

I always thought that this memory config was the weirdest of all... I understand their reason for it but 4 dimms on a triple channel boards seems goofy.

Looks good! What is the other 1070 going to be used for?

Yeah, that ram was originally with an i3 7100. A nice 16gb kit of ddr4 3000 is in this things future.

I always kinda liked this case and the 780t, but I haven't seen them used in a while. A ryzen swap and a power supply shroud would make this awesome.

Also, what is the story with that memory configuration?

Please don't spew negativity toward somebody's build... clearly he has had this hardware for some time now, and just wants to share a major aesthetic improvement. Did you really think he bought a whole build worth of hardware that was 4 years old at msrp for a new build? Did you think he somehow got the graphics card and ram for free?

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First off, I am speaking from experience. I have encountered standard dells, but I have found more non standard. As for the new parts, I offered an r9 390 and an i5 2500k but he wanted new parts only.

HPs also suck, but at least in my area they are far less common in the first place.