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Forum Topic "Part list for mini-ITX server"

Otterman366 13 Builds 3 points 3 days ago

I would not recommend either of these.

The first build has a freaking rx 570... he said he didn't care about graphics that much.

As for the second list, you will want more threads than an 8600k has for use with virtual machines, as it is only 6 core 6 thread.

This parts list has the the 16 threads and 32gb of ram for lots of virtual machines, and the ability to have an 8tb raid array for the nas. I wouldn't recommend using old storage for a server due to its unreliability, as well as because of limited sata ports, and the gpu is trash, but it will work for a display out.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor €167.64 @ Amazon Espana
Motherboard ASRock - AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard €112.90 @ Amazon Espana
Memory Corsair - Vengeance LED 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory €173.56 @ Amazon Espana
Storage Intenso - Top Performance 256 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive €44.41 @ Amazon Espana
Storage Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive €60.89 @ LIFE Informatica
Storage Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive €60.89 @ LIFE Informatica
Storage Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive €60.89 @ LIFE Informatica
Storage Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive €60.89 @ LIFE Informatica
Video Card MSI - GeForce GT 710 1 GB Video Card €35.99 @ Amazon Espana
Case Fractal Design - Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case €94.48 @ Amazon Espana
Power Supply Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply €52.90 @ Amazon Espana
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €925.44
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-21 19:48 CET+0100

articmonk's Completed Build: Mark VII refresh

Otterman366 13 Builds 3 points 3 days ago

titanium>gaming x every single time.

giantenemycrabwalker's Completed Build: Crabwalker 2019 Upgrade "2 year old build refresh"

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 5 days ago

I'm glad to hear that gigabyte fixed their bios...

dptheking's Completed Build: First official build 2700x with Radeon vii

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 9 days ago

Yeah, but at least when I buy an $800 graphics card I want it to last as long as possible. There are AMD cards that were slower and cheaper than certain nvidia cards, but are now faster than said nvidia cards. See gtx 680 vs radeon hd 7950, gtx 780 vs r9 290, gtx 1060 vs rx 480, etc.

I would bet anything that in 4 years the radeon vii can outrun a 2080 in every workload and every game.

dptheking's Completed Build: First official build 2700x with Radeon vii

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 9 days ago

Assuming you can actually buy it (I guess now you can), I would totally take a radeon vii over an rtx 2080.

Ever heard of "radeon finewine technology"?

Otterman366's Completed Build: Restoration of a lost soul

Otterman366 submitter 13 Builds 2 points 10 days ago

I don’t know how familiar with pc parts you are but it reminds me a lot of an old twin frozr V cooler. It is quiet enough that it was inaudible over the case fans, and it overclocked pretty nicely (150mhz core?). Of course as msi comes out with more high end/custom pcb 2070 cards, these lower end models will likely end up overclocking worse, as the silicon lottery winners will become said high end cards.

Overall I would recommend. As for a mini itx system, it depends on the case. It should fit in anything as it is a true 2 slot card, but airflow is an issue. If this is going into a case like the fractal design node 202 or bitfenix portal where the hot air exhausted into the case doesn’t have a good way to escape, I would actually recommend a blower style card, but if it is going into a traditional tower like an nzxt h200i or even something like a silverstone sg-13 with great airflow then I would totally recommend this card.

Prelapsed_parachute's Completed Build: White chocolate

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 10 days ago

Who knows…

It does look cool though. I think part of it is also that I would never trust myself to not paint a connector/socket. In theory the coating on the outside of the motherboard should protect it, with the only possible issue being heat.

Prelapsed_parachute's Completed Build: White chocolate

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 10 days ago

This painting looks excellent!

I'm not sure painting the motherboard was a good idea...

Otterman366's Completed Build: Marathlon

Otterman366 submitter 13 Builds 1 point 10 days ago

Yeah, and it isn't just compaq. I also have dell, hp and other cases lying around that also have a bunch of card readers.

It actually still works... usb 2.0 speeds but still.

Bclk's Completed Build: Aventador SV Transformer

Otterman366 13 Builds 3 points 11 days ago

That cost is insignificant when taking into account the whole build... and the lamborghini.

Forum Topic "First build, everything working fantastic, but receive "CPU fan error" on boot"

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 11 days ago

if it is showing up in the bios as cpu fan than idk what is happening. Sometimes you can just hit f1 to continue...

todfix667's Completed Build: Budget PC 2019

Otterman366 13 Builds 4 points 13 days ago

looks good overall, but I would highly recommend flipping over the back fan to exhaust for the sake of better thermals and less dust.

Forum Topic "I need equations on clearance for this case"

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 13 days ago

You should have no problem mounting a 240mm aio on the front or top of the case. In both scenarios, I would put the fans in "push" so that on top the front of the fans are facing the case with the radiator above them, and in the front so that the fans are visible through the glass with the radiator towards the inside of the case. Regardless of where you put the radiator I would move both ll120 fans that come in the case to the front, and mount one included radiator fan on top of the case as exhaust and one included radiator fan on the bottom as intake.

Forum Topic "Be Quiet! Dark Rock 4 noise versus Wraith Prism"

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 13 days ago

The be quiet coolers (dark rock 4 included) are seriously quiet. They are usually almost impossible to hear even under full load. Plus, the cooler itself is bigger so the cpu temperatures will be lower and the fan won't have to ramp up as much.

Forum Topic "First build, everything working fantastic, but receive "CPU fan error" on boot"

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 13 days ago

That error means that you plugged the cpu fan into the wrong fan header, so the motherboard doesn't think that you have a cpu fan at all. There should be a fan header on the top of the motherboard (sometimes it is hidden behind the vrm heatsink) that is labled "cpu_fan" and one that is labled "cpu_opt". Make sure that at least one fan is plugged into the "cpu_fan" header.

polarbipolar's Completed Build: Stormtrooper - (Almost) Non-compromise Monochrome Mini-ITX Build (NZXT H200)

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 13 days ago

Looks excellent overall!

How well does that kraken/h90 combo deal with the vram?

Forum Topic "Need a good streaming build"

Otterman366 13 Builds 3 points 13 days ago

So the parts list choice in a build like this is very simple. You need decent single threaded performance in order to stream 1080p, but nothing crazy (it isn't 4k). You also don't really need a cpu with a whole lot of threads, because you aren't going to be running anything else simultaneously. The ryzen 3 2200g fits this bill quite well as a quad core that is capable of hitting 4ghz. The other major item on the parts list is the elgato hd60 pro capture card, which is the best 1080p 60fps capture card that you can currently get, and it fits well inside of the cooler master elite 110, an extremely small case.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor $118.99 @ Powertop
Motherboard ASRock - B450 GAMING-ITX/AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard $155.15 @ Vuugo
Memory Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $68.74 @ Amazon Canada
Storage Kingston - A400 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $24.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop
Case Cooler Master - Elite 110 Mini ITX Tower Case $64.99 @ Newegg Canada
Power Supply EVGA - BT 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $29.99 @ Canada Computers
Other Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro, stream and record in 1080p60, superior low latency technology, H.264 hardware encoding, PCIe $242.78 @ Amazon Canada
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $750.63
Mail-in rebates -$45.00
Total $705.63
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-11 12:12 EDT-0400

Forum Topic "Looking for second opinions on build"

Otterman366 13 Builds 0 points 13 days ago

I'm pretty sure that case comes with 3 RGB case fans. That should be plenty.

dptheking's Completed Build: First official build 2700x with Radeon vii

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 13 days ago

US here, there are currently no radeon vii cards in stock anywhere.

TheBoda's Completed Build: Leuk Compute (White Computer)

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 15 days ago

The cable management slot.

TheBoda's Completed Build: Leuk Compute (White Computer)

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 15 days ago

Looks great!

24 pin not in the thingy is giving me OCD though...

Carl-Sciortino's Completed Build: Crimson Corsair

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 15 days ago

holy crap, that's a lot of corsair cases.

Forum Topic "$2-2.5K PC For Various Tasks"

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 15 days ago

Yeah, the asus turbo's cooler is significantly worse than the gigabyte (hotter and louder).

As for the water cooler thing, you will see no difference in performance, but water coolers are louder.

Forum Topic "$2-2.5K PC For Various Tasks"

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 16 days ago

The difference is ~$120. Generally it is worth it to me to buy at microcenter, but technically buying it without still fits in the budget.

Forum Topic "$2-2.5K PC For Various Tasks"

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 16 days ago

Considering that you live in new york, I will include prices from microcenter where cheapest. More on that later.

Here we go.

The i7 8700k is pretty much the best of the best when it comes to single threaded workloads (aside from the 9900k which is way more expensive) which include most gaming and cad. It can easily be overclocked to 5ghz for even better performance. The CPU cooler I chose is one of the best cpu coolers you can buy, due to its insane cooling ability (250w tdp), blackout look, and dead silent operation. The motherboard I chose is a cheaper mid to high end board with good overclocking ability, also with a little LED blackout look. The ram I went with is very fast, black, and from a very reputable company. The ssd isn't from the most well known company, but I have used them in lots of builds with no issues, and they're cheap. The case is a solid performer that still keeps the blackout look, and the video card is a great example of an rtx 2080.

The peripherals include a keyboard with cherry mx brown switches (a fan favorite), the mouse is a very popular gaming mouse, and the monitor is a 165hz 1440p panel that I personally use and love.

For the CPU and motherboard I used microcenter's prices because you can save $200 by doing so due to their already low prices and their cpu and motherboard bundle. I already factored sales tax into those prices.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor $348.40 @ Microcenter
CPU Cooler be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler $91.78 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard ASRock - Z390 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $141.53 @ Microcenter
Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $118.78 @ Amazon
Storage Inland - 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $53.98 @ Amazon
Storage Hitachi - Ultrastar 7K3000 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $58.56 @ Amazon
Video Card Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card $762.97 @ Newegg
Case Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case $114.57 @ Newegg
Power Supply SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $77.18 @ Newegg
Monitor Dell - S2417DG 23.8" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor $356.38 @ Amazon
Keyboard Cooler Master - MasterKeys Pro L Wired Standard Keyboard $107.98 @ Amazon
Mouse Corsair - M65 PRO RGB FPS Wired Optical Mouse $47.04 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $2299.15
Mail-in rebates -$20.00
Total $2279.15
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-08 12:15 EST-0500

genki831's Completed Build: Family HTPC/Game Box

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 16 days ago

I love project cars 2...

Forum Topic "Mini-pc for streaming"

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 17 days ago

For streaming, you really only need 2 thing. A decent CPU and a decent capture card. I chose the 2400g because it is a 4 core 8 thread cpu with high enough clock speeds that you shouldn't encounter any hitches at all (It has almost identical performance as a few year old intel core i7) and it has integrated graphics. This frees up the only pcie slot on a mini itx motherboard (you said "mini pc", so I included a case that is very small) for an elgato hd60 capture card, which is the pretty much the best 1080p capture card out there.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor $224.00 @ Shopping Express
Motherboard Gigabyte - B450 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard $155.00 @ Austin Computers
Memory Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $81.40 @ Newegg Australia
Storage Kingston - A400 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $35.00 @ BudgetPC
Case Cooler Master - Elite 110 Mini ITX Tower Case $55.00 @ BudgetPC
Power Supply Corsair - VS 450 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply $49.00 @ Austin Computers
Other Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro, stream and record in 1080p60, superior low latency technology, H.264 hardware encoding, PCIe $270.75 @ Amazon Australia
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $870.15
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-08 04:29 AEDT+1100

Truth_4life's Completed Build: My First Build_Workstation

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 17 days ago

Windows can definitely run on more than 16 cores...

Otterman366's Completed Build: Restoration of a lost soul

Otterman366 submitter 13 Builds 1 point 18 days ago

heck yeah!

Forum Topic "I Need Help! $1500 budget"

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 18 days ago

CS:GO and rainbow six yes, pubg probably not.

Truth_4life's Completed Build: My First Build_Workstation

Otterman366 13 Builds 5 points 18 days ago

Maybe he bought the 2970wx because the 2970wx is $800 cheaper than the 2990wx and 24 cores is still a ridiculous number of cores.

bladd12001's Completed Build: A steppingstone into PC gaming 2.0

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 24 days ago

May your framerates be high and your temperatures low.

...and good luck not spending hundreds on parts in that 4 years

NuclearFishin's Completed Build: Lazer3D Minimal HOTS Build

Otterman366 13 Builds 4 points 24 days ago

I have always wanted an LZ7... Imagine if it came with a pico-box 500w so you could put tower coolers in

NuclearFishin's Completed Build: Lazer3D Minimal HOTS Build

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 24 days ago

Yeah, in order to gain fps it has to be a half eaten pizza.

Chrome_Daddy0's Completed Build: New Gaming and CAD Rig

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 25 days ago

I didn't know anybody still cared about crossfire. What modern games are there that actually support it properly?

Gibblezzboom's Completed Build: My second build, love it!

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 25 days ago

It might be kinda counter intuitive, but they are actually very quiet. You don't need case fans, and the air the cpu/gpu is getting is cool 100% of the time.

Forum Topic "PC Gaming 2019 (Black & White) - 1500 €"

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 25 days ago

the 9600k and 8600k will act overclock identically, with only one tradeoff. The 8600k has thermal paste under the ihs which is awful at conducting heat, but can be delidded to use liquid metal. The 9600k is soldered, but with low quality solder. This means that it is better than an 8600k stock, but worse than an 8600k delidded. I generally delid intel cpus anyways, but if you aren't comfortable with that then go with the 9600k.

As for the 2070 vs 2080, I would generally go for the best graphics card that you can afford, because while you may save money now, you won't save money in the long run, because upgrades won't be necessary for longer.

Also, the raw price/performance data for a 2070 vs 2080 will make a 2070 look like the better deal, but that is because there is a 15% price difference and you only get 12% better performance. However, when you are factoring in the cost of the whole pc, a 2080 is only 7% more expensive, while retaining that 12% performance advantage.

One more thing... If you can get your hands on a radeon vii for about the same price as a 2080, go for it. Right now they are almost identical in performance, and the ray tracing on a 2080 is tempting, but AMD driver support in the long run is way better than nvidia's, meaning that in a few years the radeon vii could have a significant performance advantage over the 2080. Also, basically nothing uses real time ray tracing, so who really cares about that.

Forum Topic "PC Gaming 2019 (Black & White) - 1500 €"

Otterman366 13 Builds 3 points 25 days ago

Let me preface this by saying that pcpartpicker doesn't have Portugal as a country option, and so I used the closest country, Spain. This is decently important because of the difference in currency and regional pricing and availability. For example, the power supply isn't available in europe, and if you add a similar one the price comes out to be 1700 euros. I have linked a parts list based in spain that uses basically the same cpu, an rtx 2080, keeps the monochrome aesthetic, and is 1522 euros.

I also changed the cpu cooler to a different one that is white, has the same performance as the corsair aio, but is significantly quieter.

On to the build. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor €265.90 @ Amazon Espana
CPU Cooler be quiet! - Dark Rock 4 CPU Cooler €65.12 @ LIFE Informatica
Motherboard Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard €167.00 @ Electronicamente
Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory €99.00 @ Amazon Espana
Storage Kingston - A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive €32.67 @ Amazon Espana
Storage Toshiba - 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive €20.52 @ Amazon Espana
Video Card Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card €759.99 @ Amazon Espana
Case Cooler Master - MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case €49.64 @ Amazon Espana
Power Supply Cooler Master - MasterWatt 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply €63.00 @ Amazon Espana
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total €1522.84
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-27 15:05 CET+0100

SKYHELLBILLY's Completed Build: ole red.

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 27 days ago

I know, I was just suggesting a common use case for spare computers.

DJHeroMasta's Completed Build: Project Blue Angel Rev 1.3 (Ryzen)

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 27 days ago

I have always liked the striped aesthetic of the Krait motherboards...

JLGilberto's Completed Build: Aqu'AMD Core P1

Otterman366 13 Builds 3 points 27 days ago

how on earth did you get that crazy radiator situation going on? This is absolute madness.

SKYHELLBILLY's Completed Build: ole red.

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 27 days ago

this pc will become a backup

Buy some hard drives and make it a plex server/nas. Once you get one you will wonder how you lived without it.

Antrikshy's Completed Build: Red + White Late-2018 Ryzen/RTX Build

Otterman366 13 Builds 4 points 1 month ago

because it is a ryzen 5 wraith spire, so it doesn't have RGB.

DarylG619's Completed Build: X58 number 2

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

I always thought that this memory config was the weirdest of all... I understand their reason for it but 4 dimms on a triple channel boards seems goofy.

xanadustyle's Completed Build: My 1st Build.

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Looks good! What is the other 1070 going to be used for?

Otterman366's Completed Build: Idiotic PC mk. III

Otterman366 submitter 13 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

Yeah, that ram was originally with an i3 7100. A nice 16gb kit of ddr4 3000 is in this things future.

CoherentTopgun's Completed Build: Project Black Ice

Otterman366 13 Builds 2 points 1 month ago

I always kinda liked this case and the 780t, but I haven't seen them used in a while. A ryzen swap and a power supply shroud would make this awesome.

Also, what is the story with that memory configuration?

61Builder's Completed Build: My Black Panther

Otterman366 13 Builds 5 points 1 month ago

Please don't spew negativity toward somebody's build... clearly he has had this hardware for some time now, and just wants to share a major aesthetic improvement. Did you really think he bought a whole build worth of hardware that was 4 years old at msrp for a new build? Did you think he somehow got the graphics card and ram for free?

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RainForest's Completed Build: Aorus plus Corsair

Otterman366 13 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

source?

Otterman366's Completed Build: Marathlon

Otterman366 submitter 13 Builds 1 point 1 month ago

First off, I am speaking from experience. I have encountered standard dells, but I have found more non standard. As for the new parts, I offered an r9 390 and an i5 2500k but he wanted new parts only.

HPs also suck, but at least in my area they are far less common in the first place.

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