Sorry, I missed your question when you posted it originally. You've probably already moved on, but we did apply one of the built in overclock profiles to the memory and have been using the PC off and on for a couple months now for editing videos in Premiere without any instability. I'd need to check tomorrow on what speed we managed to set them to and get back to you.
Yes, the X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC includes an internal PCIe (x1) dual band / 802.11 ac card.
We expected them to be available at launch, so we asked Fractal and they assured us they are heading to retailers and should show up soon. When it pops up somewhere it should show up in our listings pretty quickly.
It came included with the motherboard.
It's really a pretty personal choice. Some people bank on them for great deals while others consider them a pain and never worth doing. In my experience, it depends on the rebate -- some are super easy, while others can be painful to deal with.
If you're including them to squeeze a budget price down, just remember that you typically have to pay the higher price up front and it can take weeks to get the rebate. The value is often sent as a gift or credit card for the amount of the rebate (read carefully to know for sure), so it's not really the same as being on sale.
Personally, I track items and try to budget by the full price (without rebate). If a rebate happens to apply, then I fill it out -- and when it shows up, it's like a nice bonus to figure out how to spend on another upgrade. :)
PUBG is a fast moving target right now, which is why we don't currently list benchmarks for it. Recent updates (and the move to 1.0) seems to have helped, but it's still settling so it's tough to give a solid recommendation as the game still feels highly under-optimized. That said, yes -- I'd expect this system should perform reasonably on high. With plenty of CPU power with the R5 1600 and plenty of GPU power with the GTX 1080, it should keep up just fine.
This motherboard worked great, but "good" is a term that's tough to match up without more details on what you're looking for (price, intended use, etc) from a motherboard in your system.
From the specs they provided, it looks like it can control 3 PWM fans (plus 6 case fans) based on a single PWM motherboard header. So yeah, sounds like for PWM control past the first 3, you'll need additional headers.
The ever elusive December live stream has now come and gone.. Hope you were able to catch it! :)
Awesome -- thanks for watching!
It's been a while, so we're probably due to revisit a budget build for a livestream, but we did one earlier this year if you need a fix sooner. :)
We used both of the PSU's EPS 8-Pin (4+4) cables. The first one connects to the 8-pin header as you indicated, and the second was used for the 4-pin CPU header, just using half of the connector.
We haven't built in the MasterBox Lite 5 / RGB yet, but that seems reasonable. The Prime B350 Plus only has 2 chassis fan headers, but the MB Lite 5 / RGB includes a 1 to 3 fan splitter according to it's specs (making it's 3 front fans only need a single header), so that should work perfectly for your 4 fans, with the 4th using the second chassis header. (your CPU cooler will plug into the separate CPU_Fan header).
We haven't tried pushing the 1600 very far with only the stock cooler, though searching around a bit, it certainly seems others have managed to get to the 3.7/3.8 range. Ideally you'd upgrade to a CLC, but if you'd prefer to stick to air, a better air cooler could also make things easier (more stable).
If you start overclocking with air cooling (stock cooler or otherwise), I'd recommend adding a second intake fan at the front of the case to force more fresh air in from the air flow channel that feeds from the front/bottom of the case.
Another option to consider is that Cooler Master sells the full mesh front panel insert that normally comes with the black version of this case. That will open you up to a marginally louder setup, but should certainly offer improved airflow.
Glad you enjoyed it! The side window is just plastic on this model. There are a number of MasterBox 5 variants with TG, but unfortunately, I don't think any of them are available in a white paint finish like this one.
The case comes with what NZXT calls a CAM-powered "smart device". It provides most of the functionality from RGB LED (Hue+) and Fan controller (Grid+ V3) combined into a single device and pre-installed into the case. The "smart" part mostly seems to refer to a new adaptive noise reduction feature for the case fans.
Our build videos and live streams are not paid or sponsored. There's no particular benefit for us to prop up any particular product over another, as we receive compensation through retailer affiliate referrals, generally independent of the brand or model a user decides to ultimately purchase.
The components we do receive as review or demo samples from manufacturers are offered with no agreement or implied expectation that we'll say (or avoid saying) anything in particular about their products.
While we hear (and can somewhat share given other reviews) the concerns on airflow in the ENSO, our pre-stream benchmarking showed typical temperatures for the CPU and GPU under load, certainly nothing alarming. When the comments started flowing in after announcing our live build, Barry went back and tested our setup further, trying to reproduce the front grill / air flow concerns and (as he noted in his pros/cons at the end of the video) didn't really see anything nearly so dramatic on the temps in our setup.
That said, our result doesn't mean another reviewer's findings are necessarily invalid. For example, it might be important that they tested with an air CPU cooler instead of a CLC. So we're not looking to disparage what others found, but our experience clearly varied a bit from theirs and as such both our positives and negatives on the case were focused elsewhere, mostly dealing around the actual build experience rather than just focusing in on its air flow design.
Unfortunately, there's not support for adding them via the mobile site at the moment (though there should be eventually). For now you'd have to switch to the desktop site to add a parametric filter.
I'm not able to reproduce any difference between desktop/mobile saved part lists, so can you give me more details on how you are seeing this happen? Are you saving over your previous saved part list or creating new ones? (If you make changes after saving the first time, you still have to save the part list again to update it for you changes).
Very odd -- can you explain a bit more what you mean by unavailable? Are you getting an error message? a blank page?
Do you have an example part list where you see it show the wrong wording? It should say "Add" next to GPU until you add one. Once you've added one, it should read "Change". (this is the behavior I'm seeing on mobile right now)
A proper print view is something that is still on our TODO list.
We actually print part lists quite often to use as checklists for our build videos. Until we have an official print view, one tip I can offer you is to view the part list from its permalink or (even better) saved part list link. It's a bit more compact and reasonable to print than what is on the System Build page. And if you use the Saved part list view, you even get the "title" for your build on the print out.
Thanks for the feedback -- it's definitely a popular request. And just to clarify what others have responded, we do have releasing an app on our roadmap. It's just not currently being worked on due to some higher priority efforts.
We are pretty unlikely to avoid taking a look at a case just because another reviewer didn't like it. We've been playing with the case over the past week or so and certainly have developed our own list of pros and cons which the guys will attempt to cover while showing what it's like to build in the it.
The airflow is pretty good, as solid front panels go. We've built in the case a couple times (Barry is currently using one as his main work PC right now) and not run into any notable thermal issues, but it can certainly vary with component selection. What are you looking at for a part list?
The linked part list (and total price) is correct.. looks like I managed to delete that line with the second memory kit when I was posting it here. I've added it back.
Interestingly enough, we didn't have any issues on this particular build. We had built several Ryzen systems by the time we built this one (about 2 months after Ryzen launched), most which had some sort of issue that required a BIOS update, etc to work around. If I recall correctly, this was the first that didn't really give us any issues that we needed to sort out.
That said, we generally recommend updating to the latest BIOS revision once you have everything put together and before you start installing the OS, etc. It can save you a lot of headaches if the board happened to ship with an older revision that had known issues.
And if you do have any issues getting your system up and running, you can always make a post in our Troubleshooting forum with your part list and a description of what you're seeing / what you've tried. There are lots of folks happy to help you figure out what might be going on!
You can hear it at full and normal fan speed during its test boot in the build video, though granted that's with the side panel off. It's a bit quieter once it's closed up and the GPUs seemed to make most of the noise when we really pushed the system, since we set the case fans to the quieter speed and allowed the H115i to use its default cooling profile based on thermals (we didn't hook up Corsair Link).
Essentially, I'd say the case didn't sound particularly better or worse for noise relative to what we find with most glass side cases under load. No where near silent, but not overly loud.
Sorry to hear you're having trouble bringing the system up. I'd recommend you make a post in our Troubleshooting forum where more people are looking to help. Post a description of what's going on, what you've specifically tried and a link to your part list so hopefully you can get some help figuring out what's going on.
You should be fine then -- the header on ASUS motherboards use a 4-pin [ 12V / G / R / B ] header, which is the same as the 4-pin strip I linked above. That board should also come with an extension which will make wiring it to the starting location you want easier.
We haven't run it through the benchmark suite yet, but given our previous Kaby Lake i7-7700K / 1080 Ti build managed around 174fps at 1440p on Epic, I think it looks pretty promising. ;)
Oh man. I hadn't seen that until you asked. I think we'll just stick to the stock fans.. my ears are still ringing a bit after hearing that thing power on. :D
When this was build, it was an easy addition to an entry level system to provide a nice boost to the overall performance of the OS and any core games you might choose to install to it. SSDs are certainly not terrible in any build, and it ultimately comes down to the trade offs you're personally willing to make. But unfortunately, between rising prices on memory, SSDs and GPUs, it's difficult to recommend an SSD for a similar $500-$600 (USD) budget build right now. In our recent guide updates, we've dropped the 240GB SSD and bumped the 3.5" HDD to 2TB.
I'd have to check the pin order, but if you're wanting a 5m strip like this one, you might be able to just pick up a similar kit that's a 4-pin RGB strip instead of RGBW. Which motherboard are you wanting to use?
Glad you enjoyed it! We'll run benchmarks on it next week. I'll also be sure to update the top of this post when the completed build write-up is posted.
This topic has been moved from "Systems > Troubleshooting" to "General > Site Feedback And Feature Requests".
Is this still happening for you? Can you post a screenshot of what you see when it's not working?
Yes... yes it is.
I was curious which kit it's suggesting to you that is showing out of stock. If the current suggested memory was out of stock, the parametric filter should have replaced it with the next least expensive option matching the guide's filters and compatibility. If it gave you an out of stock item, I'd like to investigate the issue.
Thanks for sharing your completed build, I'll check it out. While we ran a few game benchmarks on it and didn't see anything terribly unusual, I'll try out Witcher 3 to see how that one fairs and add it to our completed build write-up. We don't test the GPUs with an overclock, but with what we tested already, we were seeing reasonably expected temps (under 80C) with a power target at 100%.
Check out our YouTube Channel for lots of build videos showing step by step, how to put things together. In particular, we last built a system based on this guide a few months ago: Entry Level (Intel) Gaming PC Live Build. We also published a build tutorial for anotther similar build to this a while back. If you have any questions along the way, be sure to stop by our forums for more help!
We haven't have any unusual issues with temps or performance. You can see the completed build write up for our benchmark results. We're actually using this PC as a video editing rig right now. So far it's been doing great.
Correct -- we don't add an operating system, monitor, keyboard or mouse to our guides as the variance of needs and preferences on those is pretty tough to represent in a guide. So we instead focus the target budget price around the core system components.
That said, you can find retailer listings for purchasing Microsoft Windows in our Operating System category.
Not a problem, just edit the part list and manually add the case you prefer. Here's a link to the previous case we were using on this guide: Corsair SPEC-04 (Black/Red)
We change the cases up each month to inspire ideas for alternate options we would recommend. As zdbpcmaster mentioned, you can always get back to previous versions of our guides using the revision history section on the side bar.
Which memory kit are you looking at? The part list should be using a parametric filter to find the least expensive option matching the criteria set by the guide, but filtered by your region and retailer preference. Do you happen to have any retailers removed from your preferences?
Sorry, I missed your comment earlier -- but you guessed it! At the moment, with only Z370 boards available starting at around double the price for the Kaby Lake B250 motherboards, it's tough to recommend Coffee Lake at this budget. We do typically prefer to recommend the latest generation platforms for giving more upgrade options down the road, so we're keeping an eye on it and will update the lower budget guides once options start popping up that might work well.
If it helps, we live streamed building a very similar system based on an older version of this guide a couple months ago:
Entry Level (Intel) Gaming PC Live Stream Archive
I'm going to way over simplify this, and there are caveats -- but basically the architecture used on the Ryzen processors to interconnect the CPU cores (as well as external connections to things like the PCIe controller, SATA, USB devices, etc.) run at the same speed as the memory controller, so using and configuring for faster clocked memory speeds generally translates into better performance.
The post above has been updated, but I wanted to mention in the comments as well that we had something come up at the last second and needed to bump the live stream by one day.
The live stream will now be on Friday, October 27th at 2PM CDT.
Sorry for the last minute confusion!
The V750 has a 5 year warranty, not 2.
One of the goals we place on planning our build videos is to intentionally try out new and different components. We've built with units that fall under the 3 series you mentioned, and will probably do so again, but there are plenty of great options to explore out there.